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Paul Ryan vs. Obamacare

“Ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. Hiding spending does not reduce spending….” — Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), tellin’ it like it is

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2 Comments Posted by sirrahc

2 Responses to "Paul Ryan vs. Obamacare"

Mark says:

August 21, 2012 at 6:14 pm
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It’s hilarious to see someone quote Ryan and say he is “telling it like it is”.

In a way, he is. He wants to change medicare to a voucher program for “future retirees”. What his sheep are missing is, the “savings” he is using for more tax cuts for the wealthy. That’s one thing Ryan projects savings, much like Obama does, and Ryan uses those “savings” to cut taxes, mostly on the very well off.

But that is not all. The current retirees will continue to consume 300 billion or whatever in medical consumption. Im not sure what medicare cost, but lets say 300 billion .

Where does that come from? It comes from those paying it. Is that even debatable? DO you think there is a magic pony out back?

SO the people paying in, under 55 especially, get to pay these very substantial taxes. For 35-40 years. SO a typical guy could pay in, say, 300K. Over all his life, he pays in 300K, if you allow his total to reflect what his employer paid too.

SO he pays in 300K. Under Ryans plan, what does this guy get? Any clue? DO you have any clue, yes or no? No you dont.

He gets a voucher. A voucher is a YEARLY voucher. A yearly limit, really. Ryan calls it a voucher, but it’s a limit. The voucher is for 7K. He can buy insurance with that, or he can pay 7K in medical bills with that. either way.

So he paid 300K in, and gets AT MOST 7K. There is no guarantee he can even get coverage. If he has a pre -exisiting cancer or heart disease, his monthly premium could be 20K, if he can get it at all. And millions of people will have those pre existing conditions.

Don’t give me this nonsense about “choice” they flooded up your nose. The CHOICE is to give your money to wall street, or the gov, in those years. You still have to pay it out. That 300K Ryan wants. Either for the government, or wall street. You do not have the option of not paying any, if you work,.

So all workers under SS HAVE to pay this tax. They MUST pay for many years. And they pay huge amounts of money for the old people now to have medical care. There are no vouchers for the elders, they wont be in that voucher or limit program. They will have limitless ability to get medical care then need.

Futhermore, unearned income, like Romney makes mostly, does not have to pay medicare taxes like the worker does. Romney and his friends will GET the money that workers make, and pay into wall street. They may make a profit, or n ot, They might lose the whole amount. There are no restrictions on it, and if there are any n ow, Romney wants to get rid of those restriction.

SO you are ending the program. You can fool the stupid people now, as you were fooled. But if Romney wins and the GOP KOCH brother scum suckers take over, they will implement this goofy give the money to the rich program I just outlined above.

SO — did Ryan tell it like it is?? hell no. But you have to be smart enough first to know what “ti is” before you can tell it like it is.
- sirrahc says:
  
  August 21, 2012 at 9:16 pm
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  Thanks for commenting, Mark. I do appreciate it, even though we’re obviously on different sides on the issue.
  
  Do you disagree with the quote, or just my “tellin’ it like it is” comment?
  
  Unfortunately, your entire screed was off on a tangent — i.e., your understanding of what it means if Ryan’s plan goes into affect, following a Romney/Ryan win. Naturally, it was laced with the usual rich-folk-are-evil, class warfare baloney, which is misleading and divisive (not to mention, “intolerant”).
  
  The topic of the post/video, otoh, was why OBAMACARE is a really bad idea. And that was mostly from the federal budget/economic angle. If you can explain why/how Ryan is wrong in his assessment, maybe then we can move on to the Ryan plan. (Maybe I’ll even post on it later….)